In this first part of a no-holds-barred interview with PREMIUM TIMES’
Josiah Oluwole in Ado-Ekiti, the Ekiti State Governor, Ayodele Fayose,
speaks about his administration, President Muhammadu Buhari, and other
matters.
PT: You have been in office for over one year now? How has it been? What difference have you made in the lives of Ekiti people?
Fayose: You will recall that I am a second term governor and
I must have come with some level of experience otherwise we will be in a
very serious and a very terrible situation as a government. This is
beside the fact that the economy of the state under the last
administration was not impressive. The handling of the economy and other
things that happened created a lot of challenges for this
administration. I employed a strategy to be transparent and took time to
engage the people. When you engage the people in the running of your
government, it would leave no room for stories and fifth columnists. You
will have the people defend you in the event of any misinformation. The
other issue that we cannot ignore is the financial inabilities facing
my government as a result of the borrowings of the last administration.
One, Ekiti earns about the least in Nigeria. Again, Ekiti has low level
internally-generated revenue. When you put all this together, it is not
an easy run for the government.
The last administration took two sets of loans – the loan from
commercial bank and the bond. The bond was for N25billion and the
commercial loan was for N31billion, aside from unpaid salaries. These,
put together, have handicapped the government from functioning. But it
is not enough to tell stories because we told the Ekiti people that we
have answers to these problems, so we have to face it. After explaining
the cause of the situation to the people, we still have to find solution
to the problems. We reduced the size of government. We had about 34
permanent secretaries heading MDAs. We had to cut it down to 25. Of the
25, we have statutory boards like the Teaching Service Commission, Local
Government Service Commission, the Civil Service Commission, etc. They
are boards you cannot run like the regular ministries. Cutting the size
of government and being realistic is important. Before you do that, you
have to be an example. You have to run government like your personal
business in terms of the fact you have to feel the pains as an
individual in order to win the trust of the people.
We ensured the blockage of all wastages. Even at that, the
nose-diving of the allocation that comes to the state is another
challenge. Between January to October 2014 when (former governor) Fayemi
was here and January to October 2015, we had a shortfall of about
N11billion of what accrued to the state within the space of 10 months.
That made it uneasy for us to run the government. Within the ambit of
this, we need to maintain the payment of salaries. One of the things
that can cause the downfall of any government is when you cannot pay the
wages of your workers or issues that tend to mortgage the future of
workers.
PT: Are the Ekiti people following you in the austere measures you are introducing at the moment?
Fayose: The working class is the pulse of the people because
the political class is seen as political heads. When you pay salaries
it goes down to the commoners. The man that get his wages will have to
get his food in the market, he will have to buy pepper, he will buy fuel
and all that and in turn the economy expands and the people are
reached. One of my strategies is to bring the workers together and
declare the earnings of government every month. There is a document from
Abuja that says this is your earnings. I give it to them. The state
wage bill is supposed to be N2.6 billion but what we got was N1.375
billion.
That is about half. They know that this government is transparent. I
make public announcement. I declare the assets of government. The
standing committee of the labour, the NUJ, and all that, come together
and I ask them to look into the balance and see how we can pay wages.
Actually, if they see that what you earn is not up to what you will pay,
they know that it is not the fault of the governor. But what we try to
do is to ensure that whatever comes is used judiciously for the benefit
of everybody. So communication is important. Many people do not know the
purpose of the austere measures. They don’t know the price of oil. They
only know the status of their stomachs and so you have to educate them.
My style is a government that is in tune with everybody. I am a
governor that goes to everywhere and every home. I call the different
segments of the society and intimate them. They are happy and they know I
am giving my best.
PT: What differences can you spot between your first tenure in office and now?
Fayose: Let me tell you this that it is on record that I
took over government in 2003 when the economy was at its lowest ebb.
Workers were owed salaries. I recall that I paid all the salaries. At my
departure I left over N10billion in the coffers of government. We spent
N1.14billion as part of contribution for the recapitalization of Wema
Bank, among the states of Oodua. And in the entire tenure, I did not
borrow a dime to run the state. Far reaching projects that touched the
lives of the Ekiti people were carried out under my government. Forget
about politics of blackmail and all the noise. There was no road in
Ekiti that was dualised before my coming in 2003. I had to summon
courage to demolish houses and pay compensation. I did Ikere to
Ado-Ekiti, from Ado-Ekiti up till the state hospital. I did Irona, that
is, Mathew Street junction up to Ilawe. I was the one that did Adebowo
to the police headquarters. I built the Governor’s Office, the fire
station. I built the popular Ayo Fayose Market. Even if you don’t like
my face, you have to call that market. I built the road from Ikere to
Igbara-Odo, from Igbara-Odo to Ikogosi, from Ikogosi to Aramoko, from
Aramoko to Efun-Alaye, and from Ado to Afao. I recall that I built the
road from Afao to Ire, and so on. I did a lot you cannot forget so soon.
PT: Why are you not able to do the same now?
Fayose: We are doing our best within available resources. We
just dualised Awodele and we are doing many more. But it is more
challenging now because of the debt profile of our state. We are going
to continue to service it until the year 2036. It is more challenging.
They have committed the state so badly. If I come here and tell you that
it is not challenging I will be deceiving you. The difference is that
we are carrying the people along so they can understand where we have
found ourselves. Up till the time the bailout (funds) provided the
leeway, it was not easy at all.
PT: Your brand of politics is that of controversy. You cut an
impression of a very controversial personality. You raised a lot of
controversies in your first tenure leading to your impeachment and now
it is almost the same, why is it so?
Fayose: I am like that. Everybody is peculiar. You become an
issue when you are not a conformist. I am a very clear person. The
style in Nigeria and the world over is to lie. It is to do a make-
belief. It is to deceive the people. It is to promise change, when you
know it is only a “one chance” promise. I am not a man like that. I am
not a perfect man, but the path of a righteous man is always a
challenge. They know that l represent light. Let me explain to you –
have you ever seen in Nigeria where any man will leave office in those
challenging situations and will come back again, eight years exactly. I
was forced out of government at gunpoint under the Obasanjo
administration on the 16th of October 2006. I came back on the 16th of
October 2014, exactly eight years. Analysts told me that I took oath of
office at exactly the same minute. Let me tell you the truth. There is a
way truth catches up with people and there is a way posterity judges
you right. Posterity is judging me right because I have dominated the
politics of Ekiti State in the last 15 years. Nobody can controvert
that. The denominator in politics is the people, not propaganda. If the
people can say this man come back in a falling state…I am the issue in
Ekiti politics and by extension Nigerian politics. I am the longest
serving Nigerian governor. I served in the Obasanjo administration. I
was in the same tenure with (Bola) Tinubu, with (Adamu) Mu’azu and
others. I was in the same administration with former President Goodluck
Jonathan and am now in Buhari administration. I am a major force, I am a
factor; you cannot ignore me. If you ignore me, it is at your own
peril.
PT: You just mentioned that you were forced out of office under the Obasanjo administration…..
Fayose: (Cuts in) I don’t want you to ask that question yet. I just
want to round this one off. I want you to take note. I am the first
Nigerian governor to defeat two incumbent governors at two different
attempts, landslide. I did not only defeat them, I defeated them in
their homes, in their wives’ bedrooms, in their sitting room,
everywhere. They were badly defeated. They have all the forces, they
have all the money, and they have the contacts. It shows with all the
noise, all the controversies, I am the issue there. I served in the
south west 12 years ago, and with all due respect to all my former
colleagues, I am still a factor and a force they cannot forget in
Nigerian history. All politics are local. Without this fact that I am
strong at home, nobody will remember me today. I defeated Adeniyi
Adebayo; I defeated Kayode Fayemi and they all came together to face me
and by the grace of God, I defeated them. That shows you that this man
has a backing beyond normal. Let me tell you – it is not easy. They
cannot come out to say why is my “wife” beating me all the time? They
can only come out to cover their tracks. They are not on ground here. In
Nigerian politics I only say the truth. They took me to EFCC for eight
years. I was detained in Ikoyi prison for 45 days. My wife was detained
for 33 days and I won all litigations against them. They went to harass
my wife at home and I got judgment against them for N10 million. They
went to the Court of Appeal, I defeated them. They went to Supreme
Court, I defeated them. I am waiting to collect my money from them now.
You see you cannot get it more right than I am getting it. Whether you
like me or you don’t like me, it is either you like or you hate. I too I
don’t like you if you don’t like me. I am not sorry for you. I told
Nigerians that they should not vote for Buhari and that Buhari will not
do well. My name is Ayo Fayose. He will not do well. The attitude of a
man can only be corrected when you are still young. The older you get….
PT: Your Excellency let me guide you….
Fayose: (Cuts in again) Don’t guide me…the older you get, you will
continue to exhibit your traits. That is why I told you Buhari is a
dictator; he can never lead a people or a government without being
dictatorial. Ask another question.
PT: Why have you been frontal in your attacks on President Muhammadu Buhari and the Federal Government?
Fayose: You see, the power of Buhari is not more than to
kill somebody. He can send soldiers to you to come and kill you but
people will know that the killing is not normal. It must be a high-wired
killing. I am not afraid of him. The power of Buhari is not more than
you go and lock somebody up. I am not afraid of him. I am not in the
calibre of politicians who are saying, ‘ah don’t let me die o! Don’t let
my mother die o,! You don’t take the inheritance of your father if you
are not sure you are ready to take it. I am not in that category. Most
noble men today have gone underground for fear of the unknown. And in
times like this, when you train a lion, when you keep a lion in your
family house, those of you promoting that lion will end up in his
stomach one day. The same thing we were telling Obasanjo that time. We
said Obasanjo was a dictator. Obasanjo consumed most of them who were
promoting him that time. I have never minced words, before the
campaign…I am not a sycophant to say that it was after Buhari became
president that I started praising or talking against him.. I started
from day one.
I was 24 years old when Buhari was head of state of Nigeria. We were
daily being beaten in Ibadan when we queued up for essential
commodities. I remembered how he stopped import duties and did a lot of
things damaging to the economy, the same way he is still doing it today.
God raised Joseph at a given time. God raised Moses to warn Pharaoh of
the consequences of his leadership, until he perished. I have said it
clearly that any attempt to confront me and attack my government will
bring Buhari’s government down. My name is Ayo Fayose, I mean every word
I am saying. As powerful as God has made the snail, he warned the snail
to beware of salt. God gave the snail a protected shield behind him and
told him to crawl all over the world, but warned him to be mindful of
salt. I am salt. He should be mindful of me. It doesn’t matter his
might, we have seen presidents before. We were here when Obasanjo was
here. We were here when other presidents came and we will still be here
when he will leave. I am not a coward. Call me controversial if you
like. Men that will make history will be very controversial. Courageous
people will be controversial. The bible makes it very clear that the
righteous will be as bold as a lion.
PT: You talked very courageously and when men do that they
always have some backbone or alternative power support, what is yours?
Fayose: Let me tell you the truth, the bible says before we
were born, we were known by God even in the womb of our mother. Today
this is the way God has made me. Anybody can trace my background, my
father and the kind of family I come from. I have God’s backing, and
above all, I have a wonderful wife, a woman of God. Aside that those who
put their faith in the Lord, they can never be denied. We cannot all be
in the same party. We cannot all be afraid. There must be one or two of
us who will be very conscious in very bad weather. So I don’t have
alternative medicine. I only have God.
PT: So having said much about the Buhari’s person, what is your assessment of the administration in the last seven months?
Fayose: I am not impressed. I am not impressed. Buhari administration
has shown the hallmark of a very vindictive leader. Let us reflect
carefully on Jonathan. A leader needs all the peace to run a country.
Part of the hallmark of a good leader is to be able to rally everybody
in times like this. Look back. Jonathan was magnanimous. He could have
said I am a sitting president and cause the country headache, but he did
not do that. He willingly relinquished power because of the overall
interest of the country. Instead of Buhari coming…….you begin to vilify
everybody. You begin to do factional pursuance of the fight against
corruption. It doesn’t work like that. Go and look at Buhari’s
antecedent. I stand to be corrected. It doesn’t matter how many people
are feeding under him now, I can always tell you that those who are
rearing this lion will end up in his stomach. There is nothing new in
governance. We were young here before. We were kids, we became boys, we
became men and we became average aged men now. We know that the rate at
which Buhari is going, he is going to destroy this country.
There is no hiding place for dictators. The only thing binding us
together in this country is the constitution. How can the president
begin to incarcerate and take away people’s rights because you are
president today? It’s not right. That era is gone. I was listening to
the president on the television. He said somebody stole and some people
are somewhere suffering. Is the president now a law unto himself? Is he a
judge in his own matter? For every matter you in the executive find
wrong, you present it to the judiciary? Why would you judge them on the
television? That’s not right. Let me give you an instance, this young
man in South Africa that was said to have killed his girlfriend. He was
granted bail. He killed. Everything the law says you are entitled to
bail. If you say no, you are a dictator. Imagine somebody that you
locked up, gave several charges, the court gave conditions for bail, he
met the conditions, he came out, and you rearrested him. Those who are
promoting this lion will end up in his stomach.
PT: You have recalled your forceful removal from office
through the use of federal might. You have also described Buhari as a
vindictive person. Don’t you envisage a repeat of the 2006 experience
where the president organized your removal if you continue your attacks?
Fayose: If nobody had done anything against me at that time, maybe I
would not be as visible as I am now. Everything works together for good.
You may have power, you may use power, but there is a certain beginning
for a man and there is a certain end. Again as I told you, the worst of
situation is death, I am not afraid of that. The more you pursue me,
the more you will run into trouble. Don’t forget that after nine years
my removal was upturned by the tongue-lashing of the justices of the
Supreme Court against my adversaries. It doesn’t matter what you suffer
today because you are saying the truth. Those who stood by the truth in
the bible excelled in the long run. The story of Joseph is fresh in our
memories. The story of Daniel is fresh in our memories. Nothing lasts
forever, I am not afraid of Buhari.
PT: You have consistently criticized Buhari for his lopsided
fight against corruption. Does the recent arrest of his associate,
Jafaru Isa by the EFCC not change your opinion on his anti-corruption
fight?
Fayose: That is cosmetic. They should tell us the account where he
paid that money. I read in papers today that they will not release Olisa
Metuh until he pays. So if the man says I have a right to be heard in
court to defend myself, you will force me to go and pay. It was in the
days of Obasanjo that you believe you can incarcerate people for as long
as you want because you want them to even lie against themselves. That
Jafaru or Kafaru or whatever you call his name…you can’t cover your
tracks. The fact that he returned N100million – does that mean he cannot
be charged to court. Everybody is still in the face of the law,
innocent. You know, they will be searching for my name now to find out
whether Fayose’s name is in that scandal. I am here, I can’t go
anywhere. This country is our home, our father’s land. God has produced
me at this time for his purpose and I am telling them to do whatever
they like but I am going higher.
This is not my stopping point. No matter the persecution, I will
remain resolute. You fight corruption within the ambits of the law. You
don’t take away human rights. Taking away human rights and trampling on
the constitution and the rights of people is worse than corruption. If
you look very closely at what the law says. The law says it is better
for nine bad people to be set free than for one innocent person to
suffer. People should be given the benefit of the doubt. When you were
reading my story in the papers those days with headlines like ‘Ayo
Fayose stole N1.3billion’ ‘Ayo Fayose carted away poultry project
money’…… I am the one still sitting down here as governor of Ekiti State
without apologies to them. I’m still alive when the Supreme Court gave
this judgment. It is fair to give people fair hearing. Most of the
people that fought against me that time are now my friends. They have
seen the light. They have realized that what they did to me was most
unnecessary. God fights the battle of the man that believes in the
truth.